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Episode 49 · 3 months ago

Fireside Chat w/ Akshay Gupta


Akshay Gupta is a racing car driver turned entrepreneur. Akshay has spent his early years trying to become a racing driver and participating in several different racing formats. He became an entrepreneur to support his racing career and soon discovered his love for entrepreneurship. He has founded Quixote now renamed as Scouto (acquired by Spinny).

This is a very different episode where we talk about various topics ranging from Akshay’s early racing career, his experience with starting a business and his struggle with a physical condition. Stick around as we also gloss over our journey behind starting F1 Fanfiction Podcast.

This was a unique experience where Akshay truly took up the mantel of the 3rd host and made the conversation so much more interesting than what we planned for.

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What I like to do is if there's anyone in the world that I'm fascinated by, I would like to dig down and understand. What are the origins like? Where do they come from? And I've done that for most different ravers. So let's let's compare the two. Last year's championship contained is right. Hello, folks, welcome back to F one fan fiction. This episode, as you might already seen on the title, is a fireside we're back with the fireside chat. This time we've got a new host with us, someone who lives by the motto innovation is by chance. Just be curious always. On F one fan fiction, we are your hosts. I am a gosh and I'm sorry and I'm gonna hand it over to our third hole for the night. Third host taken away. Hi, so this is actually go quick introduction what I've been into and what I've done in my life now. So I started off with just a passion for cars. Right played with cars ever since I can remember, ever since the age of two, with Toykas. I had a good card when I was five years old and I used to live in a small village in Rasta where there are a lot of mountains. So all I did all day was just drive down the go cart on the downhill right because there was no engine in it, and that hell speed. And as I grew up, I discovered we shifted to a larger city, I discovered there's something called book carting with an engine, and that's what I spent my weekend doing. Gradually discovered that there's a sport called more racing, where people race cars for a living, and that is it. That is what I wanted to do. I think I was twelve thirteen. From that point onwards, uh, surrounded myself with cars in one way or the other. Figured there's a national championship that I can participate, it wouldn't get the budget. Gradually moved into Saloonka racing, simultaneously started setting on mobile engineering and then got myself a job. Was Not motividualist in a print magazine and moving moved into race car engineering a bit for a while. I realized that's not my thing, okay, and then switch careers in wantnership while racing cars constantly. So I had gotten selected by in the National Championship. In the meanwhile, Nissan also selected for their driver hunt to the fifteen actually went on to uh, do the Asian G D Academy thing, which is their Asian drivers election campaign, and two sixteen I turned myself into a full dame entrepreneur. So that's that's been the journey in the scene of Motor Sport and entrepreneurship. But when I gotten to entrepreneurship it was majorly in two cars. So I thought I have two cost into cars. Started with the Motorsport Project, Salem field, and three motorsport projects to be honest, and then moved on to building electronics and software for the Kindustry, which is what we call connected cars now. Right. So recently sold the company to a large startup called spinny and now transitioning working with them, which is a used car payer by the way. So yeah, having fun working around this possible doing something of the other with respective cars. Right, that's that's who I am. That's my journey. Sweet, I mean I I love the introduction you give. You pretty much captured everything that we kind of wanted to start so perfect. So yeah, let's let's talk a little bit about Yote. That's basically your company that you mentioned, that you basically recently sold a spinney. H could you tell us a little bit more about like what does the company do and...

...like what role are you playing now with essentially, I break it down for the people in a way whenever I introduced it to anyone. I mean is that we built software in electronics for cars. Electronics is what gets inside the vehicle and connects you to your easy use. But then we connected to the Internet. Okay, so essentially building a UT H and essentially doing connected cars. Right, right. So, once you connect your data on the vehicle to the Internet, you get a lot of information that you can leverage in too many matter, not just as a customer, but as a car man offfectually, a dealer, as a spare supplier, as an insurance company, finance company or whatever. So what we do is not just build that hardware, but the software are on the cloud, but also the front end for the customer and then some intelligence on top of it so that everyone can value out of the vehicle. Okay, so maybe we're going in this autonomous, shared an electric future, which is called case. It is in really connected carls like a speakers to do all of this. You cannot have what novel does without connectivity. You cannot have shared mobility without connectivity. Electrical vehicles you can have, but it is better to have them with connectivity so you know how much charge is left before you get into car, right. So that's probably what we do. My role in the company post the acquisitions will remains the same. I still functioning in the way that I lead the company and man is the same team. Nothing has changed. Is just the ownership structure has changed and we still build with the same model, with the same enthusiasm to get whatever we wanted to accomplish in the awesome, awesome I think like one of the motivations that we've heard you say that that got you into this whole journey is with respect to the road safety right, right, and I think like you've said this a couple of times too, which is you you'd rather incentiviz good driving versus these incentivized like bad drivers. So my question is more towards like the whole safety aspect of the whole thing. Right, how do you perceive safety with roads in general? Like what what is safe to you, right, like for me, what is safe, probably for you isn't, and for both of us in the same car with the third passenger is a totally different things. So beyond guidelines. Hey, how do you perceive safe? Okay, that's that's interesting. So there is an entire field of study called the defensive driving on road driving. There's this defensive driving. There's this race car driver called Penn Collins, who used to be sticks on top K right, and he is a book on defensive driving. Is Right, right, right, majorly for the British market. Right, I think that since you're a race car river, you won't be a safe fund on the road. But I think the reverse is true. Right, and the perspective on safety is very different. See, I believe this is interesting. Statistics. There's this company called now two in the US which does ai based smart camps so that they can assist you in terms of if you're not paying attention to the road. Just one of the features like if you're not being attention to the road and there's something that you should be warned about, so it will warn you about it before it happens. So it's smartly recognizes whether you're looking at the road, where you're looking at whatever's out there or not. So distracted driving. Right, that's amazing. Now, if you just break it down and look at this, U s stats. I think in the US seventy percent. Don't don't get me on these stats, right, but six seventy percent of all crashes are frontally collations, out of which, out of those sixty seventy percent crashes, almost fifty percent of them are because of distracted driving, right, and that's a major, major road safety issue that we face. And if you could just limit distracted driving, you can see like a thirty percent reduction and all of crashes. So that is one aspect of road safety. But then there are like a bunch of layers to...

...what you can very easily quantifies, like look at the data that is around you and then, uh, study that data and understand what are the major contributors to road safety. And that's, I think, the more objective way of going about it can be, telling you that, okay, I feel this is the safety for me, and that right. Yeah, that solves the question of the subjectivity in the matter. Fair enough, fair enough, and with that comes, like you know, there are moments when I'm driving like I'm so waiting for autonomous cars to be here, because that just takes the whole human element out and, like even Elon must says this, like our generation from now is going to be like, Oh, you used to have humans behind the wheel. That sounds just so ridiculous and it's a fact. I mean the time is gonna come, but it's a fact, and you yourself have been a proponent of of you know, waiting for the autonomous revolution to come. What what I want to understand is how do you see being in this domain, being in this industry, studying, studying this whole sector? Um, this is a very complex challenge to salve, right, like for you. How do you see the evolution of this and with that, the transition of sort of like the western to the Indian market, because, like, our road conditions are nowhere to be compared in terms of like the driving style and everything else. Right. So where do you see yourself there? Before before I addrisk that you have, I thought on a lot, which is that what happens to the world of motorsport when we have autonomous cars? Yes, that is like my biggest for everything. Yes, and I'm like hardcore motorsport carry. So I'm assuming driving cars, you're going to be a patrol head. Yeah, completely, so I have. I'll talk about my road car. So what I'm doing it later we'll get that. But essentially what it really is, and I spent countless US thinking about this, worried about it, and then I realized that what happened to the world of fast racing will happen to the world of motor sport. This is one of the reactions. It became a glorified sport and it exists for the select you want to do it. It's not like when we had by the way. So there's an interesting study which that there was a panel which met in the US because they thought that because of horses carrying passengers around, we could have like a climate issue. Uh, and then that's why they wanted to shift to ice engines at that curricular time. That makes perfect sense to me. The logic there was the dunge being put out by the horses was too large, that being kicked by the wheels were too high, too much, and to collect that Dung in the first place you had to send more horses. So you're just increasing the problem and it just didn't make sense. Yeah, but then we shifted to ice engines and here we are, and I believe when we get into electric and autonomous vehicles, you're, let's call them hand driven or human driven vehicles will most lye be driven on race tracks and this will become an even biggest spectacle because most people don't have the skills to now, and there will be more interesting it and I'm hoping we give it back to the days of we eight and beat ends and whatnot, bring back costal engines. Do you think that happens? That's one part of the question. You didn't ask, though it should be answered that you know. The other thing is what you actually ask was the transition from the Western world to the to the developing nations, not just I think we are a frame away compared to the Western board in terms of getting the utonomous vehicles here. It's not a question of just technology being there. I think technology will only to be there. You you look at different predictions, they reached from five to ten years of fifteen twenty years. Five to twenty years is what is the matter, I've heard in most predictions, most credible predictions, let's say,...

...if you look at in the first problem we have to solid this infrastructure and then you can have the technology at play at large. And the second problem is the cost. Okay, it took us like so long to have just two air bags as mandatory and vehicles. What I see as a transitioning as for autonomous vehicles in India would be like a level two adds. First, let's say we have like a step to level two address and then we move gradually into level three, level four level five. Level two is significantly cheaper to adapt. I think you do as a country has mandated it from twenty twenty five or something that every car, which I could be wrong about this, but because that should be sold, should have like level two of address. So gradually we get there, within this decade, you'll see it, and then gradually transitioning into level three, four five, I think still like two to three decades away. Yeah, I think let's pit a bit of here it. I mean we're still talking about root safety, but not from the context of a race track. So talking about like safety in f one, okay, especially all the controversy that went about for especially the Saudi GP, which you know, and the emergence of street tracks in general. In F one, the main issue that, like most people, are concerned about are the Batriers, the complete barriers with no run off spaces for most tracks, or rather most street tracks these days. What is your opinion about? You know, is this the right trend that F one is following? And you know what can be done to make to make this better on the on the street circuits being more prominent on the calendar? Right? Um, see, Frankie, I'm a fan of street circuits. I'm a fan of as much that. There's a trade off always in every aspect. Right, there's a trade off of this risk, Urss reward and a few things as well. Now Formula One has gotten to a really, really high standard of safety at the end of that. You ask me the barriers. Yes, they are a concerned. Maybe the design could be better, but I'm sure the foom of home level management is like on top of it all the time. We are able to ensure whatever the best they can. They must be doing it like if there's a physical limitation to where where they can put the barrier, they can't do much right. And I'm guessing that is bandwidth limitation. And I've exploded a bit of, you know, the process of creating street tracks or just understanding what it takes how it can happen. I also explode an area and there's rather where we could have right and I when do the regulations and I understand that there are limitations when you pay street tracks, but there are even the joys of having street tracks. Fans are much closer to the action. The drivers enjoy being on the limit more, being closer to the limit, and then if you're off the limit, it's more. It's just punishes you more right, and that's what raising should be. I have rather against the tracks which let you make a mistake and get away with like with that's what I would not prefer. I would prefer most streets. It's little risky, it's okay, yeah, and it's it's like actions have consequences kind of a thing, and it's more prominent on street tracks than on, I think, the conventional racetracks overall. I think what is the what is your favorite face that you have ever seen out of all the Formula One races? What would be your favorite race? Good ones, so many to choose from. I think like my personal favorite is has to be sparked. I mean that, I don't know, it's it's whenever I think of a racetrack, that's what comes to my mind. It's like the very classic racetrack you know up in the mountains and looks awesome and as well, as you know, the track itself is awesome. That's I would say it's my personal favorite. Yeah, for me, I think, like Franko Sham some things. That's something that had me on my seat was two thousand eleven vettals for as...

...championship because, like he had to like, even though it finished crossingly, he had to wait for others to still come and we were still deciding which out of like, I think, the three contending on that final race. Yeah, that was that's so much. But what was that? I was no, yeah, no, I think I wud be right. The first ever championship thready, one Brazilian and that. But yeah, he was like it was like all four had to cross and the position that they crossed on decided if what was the champion or not. I think this is a race where he crashed in the first lap. Which one? This is a race where he crashed in the first lap. He'spun around, had damage on the car. That I don't remember because, like he's been crazy in his initiative. He was. That's why I see him as the younger Max, because he was Max before Max was Max. The way he drove back then like him, him being the way he was with Webber two, that fight that he forought no reason picked in Malaysia with Webber, like that was what Max is are now he's matured like that is what he was when I all costs, basically. Yeah, but not exactly. I think exactly at all costs at all. I think that, like I'm not comparing, I'm not saying this, but I have this saying in general, like to be a world champion you have to be a narcissistic asshole. I agree. Like you have to believe that everything possible, will do anything possible to do, and that's what makes me respect Louis a lot more to like. He was in his early phases, very aggressive and all of that. Now he's become much more, let's content with whatever he has and just, you know, grateful to all the things. Seem as a different person for so I agree in some no, I mean so. So I think like exactly like. I personally don't like Louis on track. I mean he's I love for what he does off the track and voicing his voice and stuff, but like on track, I don't like him, and that too because of exactly what you're saying like he is a narcissistic asshole, that he is. But but I've started feeling right like I had the same feeling for wettle. But but as soon as like stuff started happening, since two thousands, seventeen and eighteen for wettle, and he sort of started pulling down the rank, which is what's happening for Louis for the past few races. I'm starting to feel like this love and right like this love indicator is how you gauge how well you're doing in your career. Now all the hates now going to start push wishing for Max. At this point I think, yeah, you're ready about that, but looking okay. So compare with other spooks. You. Have you seen this document, Michael Jordan's on Netflix? Basically, just if you explore Jordan as a person, okay to watch. Okay. So, if you explore Jordan as a person, everyone in his team hated him because he would push everyone to the limits to be able to win the championship. Everything. Everyone hated it. In the practice. You just keep pushing everyone on the field just to get more and more out of it, to be that champion, to be that you know that legendary person. You the hall of fame people, Right. Yeah, you have to have like an lose somewhere to be able to want to go and just want that. I think all of these people have it be we just don't realize how much it is a necessity to ate there. I mean I think you can win by being good on that track. Like no one like it is always elbows out. And when you know that you have that car at least for a fund right, like you know that you have have that car to push. Yeah, do what it takes.

Do what it takes. I think you can win a few races, but to win a championship you have to do that. Yeah, like, unless you don't believe it, nobody else's. So you know. Yeah, I don't think Hamilton's going to go down without a fight. I think, like, as much as I want him to actually fight for the eighth title, I think he's going to take that and go home. It's not coming this season. But I feel like three it's probably more back sort of thing. That's just I just want another close fight and a fair fight at the end, without without massy being there. Fair fight. The keywords were hidden in that sentence is okay, fight one more year if you can have I think we have had like a good few battles between and Max as well right now, and then I'm loving to see, like you can see, that the blood has they always elbows out there, just trying to do anything and getting possible, both of them complete hard. We'll be raising to give it everything. So I like that and it's getting closer in that aspect. So it's quite a lot of fun. I think Formula One is revived now. It has right like we even we had dropped watching because it was what Louis used to say, people are going to get bored if mettle keeps the championship. Yeah, it bored me when he was winning it. I think it did a great job. Also, my Atala now it was like filled with people posting Formula One. Then there's no one. Formula One like bring this back. Yeah, the Netflix, I think, like liberty media would, has cracked the formula with, you know, doing that partnership with Netflix, like I think that was like a master class move from them. If you look at Formula One just as a business acquisition that liberty did and where they've brought it from there. If I were the CEO of Liberty Right, and I had done such a great job, I would be asking for like hefty bonuses, because the followers that is increased on social media or just the online presence, which is increase drive a popularity viewers. Viewership has gone up significantly. Look at the viewership on Netflix, the revenue that they're bringing a new races, new venues and whatnot. Even in Stadium Right, like I think Austin last year had four thousand or something, is what they reported. Close to a million people to the stand that's insane. Even we broke the record for the most viewed a fund raise in US ever. Yep, Yep. I think overall they kind of realized that this gold mine of audience was here, you know, in the US, and they had not tapped it yet at all, and I think it was due time now that they had to expand it and get the sport into the US. Do you want to ask you this? Going back to sort of your your early life sort of thing, right, so you said you you had a car sort of go card at the age of four and then you you drove by yourself and in its true sense you are a self taught racing driver. Right, Um with that. How does how does the fact and how does the part of self introspection, self learning, knowing what's going wrong and then you know how to fix it, come in? So this obviously is from racing and a driver's perspective, but I guess like that can definitely be extrapolated to life in general as well. Yeah, that's a very good vision, to be honest, because this is something that I've thought a lot. So people don't realize this. What sports does to you, and more so sport, is because you can witness what you do, because you can record every move, understand where you're making...

...mistakes and what you're doing. Okay, what sport does is that it it just puts normal life on steroids. Okay, so what results I could have in like, let's say a decade of growing up as a kid? I can have that in a year in a championship. That's a year of championship. I'll have all those ups and downs, I'll have all those experiences and I learned significantly higher. Is what I have witnessed personally. Okay, why I see this is because the results are quite instantaneous, whereas in life you don't know whether you're on the right path or not, unless there's been like significant amount of years, which is past down, and then we discover that, okay, this is the wrong path that it took, and it takes a lot of time. Let's say you, unless you come out of your schooling and you go into the professional while you're going to college, you wouldn't know. Your marks are not that big a sign of what whether you're doing something right or wrong. Okay, and sports does that to you, and that only happens with the introspection that you do, because at the end of the day, the clock won't lie. If your time is slowing, your time is you can't go ahead and complain about the fact that the cars battle. Okay, it's cool. That's just the reality of to sculp your ego accepted and figure out how to get better, and that happens with the kind of effort that it takes to do it. It's the same everywhere. So in my myself better, it's the same. The reality checks that I get over there is when I go and pitch two investors and I go in customs and the customer is not willing to pay it, then I get a reality check. Okay, what we're building is not that much value. Have Toi to preak this here, preak that there. So that also makes rates learnings, but not you can't have that in early life. If you can have early life in schooling during the people. So that's that's the role of introspection, like you do, what you're doing, the results and all of that, and then just trying to sum it all up and make sense of what where you're going down, the same principles to apply no matter where you go, you're go into entrepreneurship, a job that you're doing, some other sport that you do in my school days, which is my inner competition here and there, and the same rules applied there. So yeah, that's majorly when I'm going from facing I think it's made me a much, much better individual than I would have been other ways. No, makes sense. I mean I can kind of completely agree with what you're seeing, like you know, especially what you said about when you are in a sales pitch and if if the customer is not buying it, you're probably not making something that people don't buy. And I think our Kash, like we ourselves, have gone through this this podcast. I think nitrated so many times man. So I completely jive with what you're saying. You should go back and see, like if one of the initial screen shots are videos, right, like you'll see it's so raw, like we're trying to keep it rockers, like we love just chatting this way. But yeah, yeah, you're right, like we've we've come a long way in the in the year. We've come along. Yeah, I think that this is spot. I forgot. It's called you need to look like a fool in the beginning and then learn through the process. Essentially, it's what that's what it's trying to say. I'm not putting it back, but the beginner will always look like you just need to have that capaculity, be okay with it, okay, and that's how you learn. I've done a lot of these things while building the company. Will be if I go back to the kid who wanted to raise like if I go back to the reduction, he comes to me and says that, okay, I want to raise that like your middle class kid. Why? That's the thing.

I mean fourteen year old self, to be honest. Yeah, while you're on the topic, let me ask you this question. So I guess, like you yourself have gone through a lot of playing a dual role in your recent career as well. That's basically like being a driver and also being a sales person of yourself at the same time, pretty much to get sponsorships to a fund your career. I guess. Like my question is that, if if you are to meet yourself or you know anybody who is planning to start their career in racing, uh, what's your advice or tips or anything you know basically about? except I get money, for sure, but like, yeah, right on getting sponsorships, on like being not being afraid of, you know, knocking on thousands of doors and being rejected, and you know how to deal with this. And how do you know even get started with this? Yeah, so, in fact, I recently did it to certain next time, because I started reading again national championship. I went race the cars again the way available. The championship is happening. I just did it last December, just December, and made a few kids who uh, in their early whore and the teams were racing. We're trying to make a career out of it. So my advice there was my learnings that I get get from going out there and trying to sell myself to be able to responses are significantly worth more than what I could have done had I pursued and gotten in a career in like let's say. Let's say I followed a ladder, okay, and I went from touring cars in the National Championship, as championship did the European Championships. Somehow about like Crows and crows of appeased to be able to do all these touring car championship. That is the route I wanted to take. Being a factory driver, you have to be closed the realities that it's like one in a twenty thousand or one shot that you'll get okay from all across the world to be a factory right, but after having spent like a lot of amount of money to be able to get there again, and that's a break possibility. My say to people is that just focus on what you are, what you have right now. Go out there, explore and just pitch as much as possible. You only need that one sponsor. You don't need like a hunt. So out of the hundred pitches, you only need one. Out of the thousand pitches, you only need one. And numbers is the game. So if you have like ten thousand leads, you have to email all of them, build a night which keep ree rate in your pictures. Some some of the pictures that I look at early on, they look so I wonder how people even entertain get into a discussion based on those presentations that I do. But then if I look at version one, two, three, five, I might have a hundred visions for years. All you need is one. I might have the emailed like fifty people, okay, over the US, and I might have what, a few responses, maybe less than two hundred responses, okay, and out of that I got into a hundred things and out of those hundred meetings, maybe two sponsors packed me. Okay, and that's that's been the journey and that's that's the same. If you look at entrepreneurship and you're going to raise funds based on a profile, like if you're an early unflue and entrepreneur, you go out trying to raise funds, you'll have to approach like a hundred, two hundred investors maybe, and we'll give you a meeting and maybe one will material like it, but all you need is that one. But what you learned in the the journey is how to sell, and persuation is one of the best skills to learn because it helps you everywhere, because most of what we do is human interaction, and most of human interaction if you can persuade someone to do something, that's it. You have a lot of things cracked.

To the kids who meet now what we're going to recing, I just say that keep at it, like, keep learning, keep exploring, keeping or whatever you find online as to how to sell, keep keep improving your pittures and keep going out there and trying to take something. And you never great. So like Lewis Hamilton met Uh Laden boss and then gotta drive in the McLaren, something we'd crack like. You have to be optimistic and hopefully and just go out with that hope and if it doesn't, you came out learning a lot, so you're still better off. Fair enough. I think mark suit on, one of our previous guests, also kind of mentioned this, that you know a lot of like and that that was, of course, in context of photography, but I think that like extends to everything in general. Is like when you attend enough places, you sometimes tend to be at the right is, at the right time, and I think that kind of, you know, like drives in with what you're saying. When you send out emails right like you're going to eventually hit the right person some time, and probably at the right time as well, but they can actually give you what you want. So so there's a mental model on this, which is called randomness and optionality. So to be more, to be luckier in life, all you have to do is increase the proviibility of luck. When I was actively trying to responsors, I used to go out in every event that I could find locally in my state, around and the bird, every single entrepreneurship event. I attended every single so I could meet more businessmen, decision makers who could maybe give me a chance to race cars somewhere right and decided everywhere. The more you build your network that way, the more chances come your way. One of my largest customers right now came to that particular approach. Okay, one of my investors came through that particular approach. One of my sponsors came to that particular approach. So just go out there and keep yourself out there and keep doing this, and I mean a lot of large numbers is at some point gonna come and fall in your life, and the thing is it just happens on the right time. If, if it happens before time, you're not ready for it, it just becomes like the thing you didn't deserve much and then it uh, it fades off and leaves you worst. So those are your one of things where you know, a child prodigy got famous because of this file feed on the Internet, and but if you spollow the journey through, what happens post that? And like even there's this study for the people who win the lottery most often after winning the lottery. I want to raise a sort of like a very tangential discussion at this point. Right. So, Mr Miyaggi always thought wax on, wax off before you go into a fight, right, so you get your fundamentals right, like you have that build, that patients perseverance, and then get those mental models right and then enterified. Um, you've you've sort of tried to do something along those lines where you've been a race engineer and been a driver. Do you do you see importance in sort of learning those nuts and bolts, doing that vacx on wax off with the car before getting into that I I go, I used to get into all sorts of details to the point that I always was overthinking to you know, to a fault. So what I used to do is set up the car exactly the same way that it was in the real life and replicated on assimilated, and then that is as much as possibly find, all the videos I can on the Internet, all the pictures I can to understand the route, the track surface on every corner, all the content I can and to know who has written about the track...

...where and all of that rate. I went to some really hard details to know because I didn't have the advantage of practicing before going into the race because I couldn't afford it. So I found another way to do it and it helped to some extent, but then I overdid it to some extent. But having your fundamentals is what helped the most. I just want the thinking, because you can't thinking right. Right. You can think before and after, you can't thinking right, and that's where I was wrong. But yeah, you're right, the fundamentals, primarily the understanding of physics. I could picture the car in my head moving around and doing certain things and then coming back and giving the feedback to the engineer saying that this, but this is not what I want, so maybe we should it just the dampers and to this particularly setting on the right or something like that. Right and those fundamentals always helped because I would get to an ideal it faster than other drivers around me. Is What I noticed. Most of the things have you explode multiport engineering in general. I kind of like I'm interested in general in some reason, like I have tried my hand at understanding, like you know, all the various settings and the various configurations are how we set up a car. But honestly, like the more I've tried to understand it, the more confused I get a lot of times and uh, I don't like it still feels to me like it's black box and uh, you know, it feels magic somehow much. Yeah, I don't know. I've tried a lot, but I don't think it comes naturally to everybody. I guess I would say for me, I mean it's just been from a very noble perspective of what a no wood do um like. At one point we tried to build like an acronment steering just for a fun toy card. That we're building. But like that's that's somewhat to the extent of what I would have gone into it like that. There's so much more beyond that, like which is just really re engineering could never be like a career for me, because I I'm not someone who likes to go into the tips of things. I would like to stay and about everything to certain extent, right until the point my curiosity yourself. Yay, so, and if you want to be in the field of engineering, you have to go to the tips of one thing and one thing alone. Yeah, and that's when I realized that engineering is not funny, and business allows you to have like a lot more exposure in that aspect, and that's when I realized that that's something that I should do. Like, on that point that you're saying, I feel like I sort of my resonating factor with that sentence. There is, like I love how, when you've sort of browsed through multiple topics, like chatting with anyone becomes becomes fun, because you can sit in a room and just like talk for hours. Okay, like you keep moving, jumping on topics, but you can just like go on for hours and obviously you learn too much out of it, but then there's always that okay, we want to talk about this, let's talk about this sort of thing quite honestly. So this is an interesting story. It was in nineteen years that was doing a job in a magazine. Okay, like explore the dating scene in and then I realized that I could get a few dates but I had nothing to talk about. Like small talk was such a struggle because my world view was limited to cars. Well, I had done most of my life is explore cars in one way or the other, and I didn't know much about the world outside, and that's when I started reading about topics outside. You able to have like conversation topics when I got important dates, and that's that how I explode this more than what you're talking about, just as ants there. That's what met all sorts of I can imagine. I can imagine actually like sitting with like a pop culture textbook just to prepare for dates. It was I think it's a good thing that you kind...

...of since you are on that topic of you know, learning things and you know learning various different things. I guess the theme, as far as I see it, the theme of your career as such in general, is like pivoteering in general, in the sense that you have pivoted your career multiple times from a racing driver to like trying to get into these engineering becoming an entrepreneur, and I think definitely, at least from my perspective, it is one of the hardest things to do, like, once you are like so ingrained into what you're doing, getting out of that mindset and then real learning, because anytime you're going into a new field you are basically going to be starting as a beginner and, as you mentioned it, like you look as a fool as when you're a biginner like and that's that's just the truth. So I guess my question here is how have you yourself dealed with witting your career multiple times? How difficult cures and you know how to make it easier, I guess. So I never actually ever pivoted. Okay, so here's here's the thing. I actually started building a business because I reached the point where I could not reach anymore and I thought the only way to get wealth fast is to build a business to be able to raise cards again, and so my objective was always to race, get back into a race car. So ever since I've been twelve, I've only been thinking about how do I get myself into a race car? Okay, it's just that because of wanting to get into a race so badly, I have explored various career paths that would help me get there. So journalism was this naive idea that if I write about my races, then I can get myself into I can get myself sponsors or two and that can help me propel my career right. And then business was a way to get money to be able to is cars again, and that's that's the idea, right. But just because of getting into business I've gotten like a broader perspective towards life in general and realized that there I think I fall in love with business as much as I've fallen in love with racing cars. Just the concept of entrepreneurship the whole and the impact you can have in the world, just people around it, belt creation of the game, and that's changed my perspective a lot. About pivoting, yes, there's been a pivot. The driving factor has always seen one, but the pivots have impacted being a way that, let's say the major pivot was getting from sports to entrepreneurship where one in one place you have like if you have ego, it helps you, the other place if you have ego, it kills you. So just those internal restructuring required to do it was I often say that that businesses like it as guys to entrepreneurship is like it is guys, for in a restructuring. Okay, so you just essentially building yourself from ground up again or just restricting how you function, and that's entrepreneurial. It's not been easy, but I think if you want something badly, you will find a way to do it eventually. So I think if you're driving factor is strong enough, you'll find a way. As for Hacks, to be able to pivot, inspiring factors prove me to it's doing it more and more. This is interesting, right, like we were talking about drive, here we're talking about, you know, continuously keeping pushing and, you know, motivating yourself. But something that sometimes goes unnoticed or undermine from a spectator point of view is how much of a mental toll that might end up taking on you, because you are, you know, without an actual dopamine hit, you are like stimulating a Dopamin hit so that you can keep going now and we can again like switch gears here, but we want to come to a chapter in...

...your life where you've actually gone through both physical and, I guess, like some amount of mental fight that comes with it. Right. So, and you know what I'm doing, what I find on the positive side as an inspiration where you know you've sort of fought through something where many people might think of giving up or even not even thinking about a dream just because of a particular issue with themselves, whatever it is, minor or major, but how does one go above that? And then what is your experience? I mean, who better than you to talk about it? So if you just want to spend some time, they're telling our audience what it is, what it was, and if someone is listening who is going through something like that, what should they do? So I was born with this defective my legs, which is called cluff feet. So most people don't notice, but in India about one lack fifty kids up on with cloff feet every year. Yeah, I don't know the exact stats right now, don't get me on that, but that's a lot of kids being born with cluffet. The pluff feet is essentially when you're born, your legs are twisted inside. So ankles are twisted inside, not legs. Actually, ankles are vested inside right. So when I was one, there was no Onsett team method in India, which is there is the simple way of putting a plaster around your leg and then in a particular place so your legs get back into shape. It works with young kids, but it generally doesn't work with adults. After a particular age that it doesn't work. So I had like multiple rods in my legs to straighten up the legs for surgeries. And while growing up as a kid, I never knew like the you know, you don't know that this is a limitation unless you're told so. So I didn't know it was a limitation because I'm growing up as a kid in the world where this is what I have. So there's this mental model. UH, the map is not the territory. Okay. So if if there's this interesting story which goes like, uh, two fish across each other, okay, and one fish asked the other how's the water, and the fish goes ahead and then asked another fish what is water? Okay, so you don't know that you are in water already. Great and you don't know that. Okay, this is a physical limitation, so you do what you can. So I never thought of it as a limitation as such. It was not that big limitation growing up because the surgeries that I had gotten had corrected it to a significant degree. But I still have like limited motion in mankle. One of my one of my feet is like an inch smaller than the left fun the right one is in smaller. So that is a limitation, limitation in terms of one as a flatfort and that's not that bigger concern, but then it leads to more and more injuries as I keep pushing myself physically more right because the two structures are different. Now, even to this date, I've never seen it as a limitation as much. Quite honestly, I just see it as a challenge board. Okay, and I think I was speaking to a friend WHO's a therapist. So we were we were having a conversation over dinner and then I was telling her she didn't know about the club feet, right, so it just got brought into the conversation and she was telling me that she didn't know. And then how do you take it up? I'm like, I just take it as a challenge so that I can do more. I can maybe do something for the kids who are born with clof feet apart from me. Uh, and that is where it struck me that most people don't think that way, because she know, she told me that most people who come to her with any issues think that these back to me. Why was it back to me?...

Rather than what it was back to me? What can I do for it? Yes, and I can't pinpoint to what led me to think in this way. Or I can't pinpoint two. Can just tell you that I'm back this way. Right, right. So this is my attitude, this is how I do think, but I can't pinpoint what led to it, now that I don't understand the human nature put enough to tell you what this particular approach to words. Now I think like this is good, because one theme that that at least I like to take from this is and and it's it's it's difficult to do it, but I don't remember where I read it. It's like respond, never react right and as human nature, it's it's always first instinct to react to things. But it's like, take a deep breath, take a step back, see what the problem is. And then solve it like it's always a problem solution sort of thing. Let's try approaching it in that way, and then its life becomes a bit more easier, I think, because this concept of chimp management. You have to manage your in the himp then, which is your instinctive brain versus your right logical brain. I think if you can do it in sports, you can get a long way. Hey, yeah, I mean I I like you. Know, I love the way you put everything. I guess like overall coping with adversities, I guess in general, like let it be like physical, mental, anything, I guess, any adversities in general in life. I guess it's also about adversities kind of push you to be the best form of yourself. I think, at least that's been my experience of whatever little experiences are hard in my life. But the last one exactly, and that's that's right, and something oneful started from art, which is this podcast. Like, like I was sick for a while and like that led me to like start this podcast like with our cash, and I guess I've at least in my life, I have seen that it has pushed me to become a better person in in various different aspects, because I think it's like when, when you're down, uh, you want to like pick things up again, and then things that you take granted otherwise you have to kind of push through on your own, I guess, and that kind of probably motivates you more, even more, I guess. I don't know. I think these are approaches and I often see people like the bad approaches. Well, and they don't. Uh. This is an interesting thing. I heard on instagram that, uh, if you see any superhero movie, both the villain and you have the same backstory. One chose to do the right thing out of it, and look at Batman, and both had traumatic childhoods, but one chose to give it back to the world in a way that the world should hurt, and one chose to protect the world, to protect humanity, because humanity is this the approach we take and I believe like humanity is something that that's a topic that I care about a lot. So it just fascinates me. I never understand it. It's just fascinating. But how much do you think, and this is an open question for the floor right like, how much do you think this has sort of inculcated in Max because, like we we joked about him a few minutes back, right, but like we saw him in that raw aggression or no one on the track like him, because he would just be trying to be gross at one point and crash into everyone. But with the fight with like a seven time world champion and a decade law driver and F...

...last year brought out a very different side of Max. Right, he was very calm composed, at least on the front I mean behind camera, who knows what is going on? Like do you? Do you like, both of you like. Do you think he's probably gone through some like mental coaching sort of inculcate some of the discussions that we're having right now? What I like to do is, if there's anyone in the world that I am fascinated by, I would like to dig down and understand. What are they, what are the origins, like, where do they come from? And I've done that for most different drivers. So let's let's compare the two last year's championship containers. Right, Hamilton and worst. So worst comes from a family where, if you look at his father, who has been charged multiple times of assault, not just two people randomly, also his own life divorced multiple times. Okay, the stories in the media, I don't know how to do there, but there's stories where Max was beating up the kid all throughout and that's how he's got two race and he has been homeschooled. He's yeah, that's he's just a racing machine. All he has seen and done in his life is chasing is like limited explosure to the world. He's just one goal, which is doing the world championship. That's what he's designed to do and that's his upbringing vers Hamilton's. If you look at him, comes from a different sort of family altogether. His stepmother was doing two jobs to be able to afford him a racing career. They had mortgaged the house multiple times to be able to afford the racing career. A lot of love that he got. His younger brother is has some disabilities. He's seen that going up. He's so grateful to what he has now because so different people altogether, different upbringings. He has a lot of love from his family. Yourself had a bit of a mixed out in the middle where you growing up young face, where in his twenties he had so that happens. Parents would always make to control you and what? But has gotten back and then has been a different person altogether. Right. So two very, very different personalities, very different approaches to doing things. But if if you ask me, and this is philosophical, this is, yeah, not Ph but if you ask me, I think love is a better right in factor than anything else. And like Ego, is not that a saying factor, because it will make you do things that you should not would not have done otherwise. So the motivations is too. I even one world championship I went to. I went three. Yeah, you know what? Now, now it's so easie. Let's say Max there, he has the best car. It won't be fun for him. And where? Where else would you go? One? What is there today? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and I mean that was beautifully like at least last year, after Lewis lost, which was his race to win. Um, you could. You had these footages of like his dad with him, you know, consoling through wherever they named stuff. Yeah, right, and that shows like okay, and and that was a very graciously accepted defeat. Sure, there was drama and it was meant to be, but it was a very graciously accepted defeat. Yeah, definitely. I was. Yeah, I was surprised that you could take it that and we had also talked about this on the episode. I guess like if, if the tables were turned and if Max wasn't in Hamilton's situation, I can't see no, you know, time like when Max would react the same way. Exactly was there will be but every few of those Brazil at...

...some point when he was unlaughing, you were actually watching this finale at the Chenney airport after coming. So like a bunch of drivers together at the airport screaming while looking at the potential was happening. We could not believe, like, and the entire airport was filled with a lot of race car drivers because that was a racing weekend right, and there was like disbelief in everyone's speech to this, to what if is what they've just seen? I don't know how Louis took. I was glad for two days, visibly that people in my office kept asking me what is wrong, what happened, and I kept telling them that it was worst, but they're like, you don't have the sport flow. Yeah, I mean, you know, I was also kind of mixed, like I was happy for a stuffing. Like I was happy the championship that he had fought and he had really, you know, putting everything into that, like if we forget the last race, like if you completely get that out of the picture, like I feel that Max did deserve to win that championship in general, I mean the amount of bad luck he has had to the season and everything. So, like, I was happy about that, but at the same time, you know, I was quite a way, yeah, mad about the whole thing that happened and you know, like I feel bad that, like Lewis had to face that at Sarah. I convinced myself with the fact that lyric Lewis has has has had enough serendiputy throughout his career, like with with that championship where Massa was gonna win and then Lewis is like, I think block, right, it's that famous it's block. Is it block? It's block, it's block, it's clock, and he wins. So yeah, I think I don't mind Max. Well, yeah, but I mind the way. Yeah, this is none of them lost. This is the sport. Yeah, yeah, definitely, but I think good things are coming out of it in general. I guess, like this year at least, that's one, but overall I think this year they are like clamping down on rules a lot more, like they are actually enforcing the rules that they are saying. Right after last year we always had like these optional cordners where you could if you want, you can't go outside the white line, and then sometimes the white line is the you know, the place where you can't cross, or sometimes that the curve you used to decide. You know, it's not allowed anymore. So I'm glad that that is kind of not being repeated this year. I think the last the lash back that F one got overall, after that last dace, they have decided to take actions over that. So I'm glad that at least something that came out of I think we won't know until it comes at the cost of entertainment. Yeah, yeah, fair enough. Yeah, still to find that utilize. So you won't know. Unto them. I like to plug this book every time because because a few minutes back you were mentioning like Maxwell. Have to start thinking of what's next right. Um, this is book by a Pixar's Co founder at captain or Creativity Inc, and like the way he starts this book is like I question every single time, like what's next? And that sort of kept him going, like we made toy story, which was like the biggest hit of that time. But where do we go from this? What's next? And it's more of a management book masked as a Pixar journey story from like founding to wherever it is. I haven't read it, but it sounds really interesting that I'm curious. Yeah, give it, give it a good time. I highly recommend this book called no angel,...

...no angel, Bernie a Gilson's life to okay, very good, and see the journey of how he took over Formula One from the F I a. So Formula One used to kind of belong to the F I a. before that it was just like a bunch of teams coming together as Formula One. There was no right and then F I governed it and then he took over and then he made it his own and he sold it not once but twice, but twice. Interesting, very interesting just from a business perspective but a historic perspective and Formula One. And there's this book called totally competition from Gosbon and Adam, which is about strategy and management in Formula One. This is also brilliant that I use for my day to day business a lot. Have you read the book how to build a card by didn yeah, okay, yeah, that's that's on my list next time. I'm really interested in that. I've heard a lot about it. But yeah, that's really nice. You'll find a mention of Jeremy clarks really interesting. Okay, very tangential, very tangential. Who's your favorite among the try on top? Okay, Jeremy, he's the entertainment for sure, but like, I'd probably go with Hammond. Oh really, I would go with James May. Interesting. This is a very nice split. I guess for me it is more than top so actually, while I used to watch top gear, he wasn't my favorite. Jeremy was my favorite. But after like post top gear, like the BBC top gear at least, uh, ever since, I think James has done a lot of other things as well and I've followed him a lot through that and I think after watching that, when I go back and watch episodes, I kind of appreciate him more, I guess, and like the jokes of him being old. I'll just started exactly as well, I guess. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for me, I mean I think like the more I read about it. Like, like Hammond, is actually a big porsche ahead. Um, he loves resurrecting those. I mean, as much as Clarkson Belittle Jim for those, Pashas he is, he has gone through quite a lot of accidents. I think one or two they have shown on the shows over the twenty six seasons. So he bounces back from those. Um. Yeah, I just appreciate Jeremy as a journalist. Also like because seen is writing. I've read his books and this is interesting article that he wrote about how to p a journalist or motive journalists, and his advice there is just, you know, you have to be even when you're on the screen all the time. You have to be a very good writer, okay, and it has to be about writing. So that is a part that I like Jeremy for, because then he comes up with these flamboyant ways of describing something. He'll would do it to a large extent, one point, ways of desplaying Personnario, yes, and captivates you in that way. That's why I like and this he's like humor, which, yes, yes, yes, and on that bombshell audience weird know this. This is definitely. This is definitely a good show. Actually, thank you so much for being being on the on the show. Thank you than I like what you did.

These are your hosts. Are Fun fan fiction. Signing off. It's off to worksh. So what's next is, uh, I want to build more businesses. I want to build what I'm building right now to a level that I intended these cars and have fun. I wanted to raise cars with a particular goal of, you know, just win this championship or that championship, but more in line with I want to raise on all the tracks that exist that I have like treampt offing on as a kid and multiple different cars and just progressively take it up there and save enough for my kids to get into raising whenever that happens. Nice. So sure that that's a good this building businesses just fascinates me a lot and it's a lot of fun. It's a lot of fun, very fulfilling. Also, there's me ridiculacy in the world of entrepreneurship compared to what is sport, let's say. So that is what I enjoy more. Just, yeah, two things that I enjoy more. Will do as much as I can of it and yeah, M.

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