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Episode 29 · 10 months ago

Fireside Chat w/ Advait Deodhar

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Welcome to another addition to our mini-series called Fireside Chat where we bring in guests and talk about the world of motorsports. Join us as we welcome the new 3rd host of the show Advait Deodhar who is just coming off a strong season in the 2021 season of EuroNASCAR and finishing 12th with 1 win, 2 Pole Positions, 5 Top-5’s, and 6 Top-10’s! Advait entered the world of motorsports at a much later part of his life as compared to most drivers. However, he soon made a name for himself with 2 strong seasons at EuroNASCAR.

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It's quite funny. I'd say like few years ago I was like, Oh, yeah, you drive so much better because you're struggling and you like want to do your best. You have absolute maximum out of yourself, so you perform in order to do that. But I called Bullshit on that. Now, I think. Hello, folks, and welcome to f one fan fiction, a show about fun races brought to you by a fun fans for the fun community. While we are not doing fun races, we all know, we've started the series called fireside chat, which thank you for all the love and support you've been giving us. This is yet another fireside chat with what actually started as a nice tradition on the last episode with with a new host, as we not now calling them and no longer guess, because that's that's the beauty, because they also end up bantering with us throughout the episode. So this episode we've got someone who's who's redefined many odds, who's an inspiration to, you know, many youngsters thinking if they are probably a bit late into the sport or anywhere in their career to that matter. Someone who's WHO's an inspiration to, you know, everyone who's trying to go through hard times as well. So let me just hand it off to our third host for the evening. Take it away with our host. Thank you for that. Nice to be my name is other white, the other and yeah, it's great to be on this show. I guess it's that's what we're calling it. And Yeah, and talking more sport and Formula One and some of the racing that I do. I mean I compete in European Nascar. We just finished the season. I just finished two weeks ago. And Yeah, I'm from Mumbai and I'm currently based in London. Awesome. Welcome to the show, the way. Thanks for having me. All right, I think this gives us a good segue into the first question that you want to ask you about. Is You do NASCAR, since you mentioned I think you are off from a very good season. You had a you just participated in the two thousand and twenty one season of the U Nascar and I guess you had one win at Trans Hatch to pose what, five top fives and six top tens. Yeah, I think that. I mean, I wouldn't count it as the best season, because I can I had, of course, much higher expectations and I there was the idea was to fight for the championship outright, had a had a win and two Poles at brands hatch and continued on from there on to my probably my favorite circuit, which is most in the Zech Republic. I finished second over there and then after that in the second race when I was probably could have won that race, but I had an accident and no fold on mine and unfortunately, I thinks things went down because also in my personal life there was a tragedy, and that really that was that affected me big time and NA, the results just didn't come after that and as much as this could have been a massive, massive year in terms of winning, probably like actually winning the championship, it didn't go to plan. But I guess that's motor racing and things happen and and in some ways, of course I want to learn a lot from this, from this year, but I also want to try and forget about it as soon as I thought the began and yeah, just come back with this redemption to really do my very best next year. Sorry, do we hear about that personal tragedy? A I'm sure I can nary coop. Thank you, but it's a bit ironic, as in the sad sense. The last race you were last, the second last race you were second last. Is there? Is there a theme to you know, if it's a last race, the positioning that's happening? No, I actually it only got it only got classified as last because I didn't finish either reasons. Unfortunately, I had mechanical issues. I never finished last. So it was I finished in the pit lane watching everybody else finish because, yeah, this this year, there was so much bad luck. You to mechanical issues as well. Right, and I had class. I mean we like the final race week and I was full prep. I done some extra testing on Thursday, Friday. Things are going well. And in the final practice session there was some clutch issues. Again, this is not the first weekend where I had it. And going into qualifying there was just no drive. It just kept the clutch kept slipping, and so I somehow managed to put in a lappen in his thirteen and I had to retire and bring the car into the pit lane. So I would say was not a proper qualifying and yeah, there was some problem with the ball bearing inside the clutch and yea, I was just a disaster. So I actually didn't finish the I didn't finish the two races. So that's why I got cuilassified as last and second last, because I was sitting in the pit lane wiping...

...my tears. I know we thought that. We thought that that's just some way of, you know, for you to just put out a statement. Yeah, my processed level and driving is unfortunately, that was in the case. That would be in a good story if it was. But yeah, right, all right. So we wanted to know a little bit more about no calory, saying, you know, how did that happen? And Yeah, like what's your advice about, you know, other you know people who want to get into the NASCAR in general and like how do you go about even finding a team for yourself? So yeah, so cal raising. I did part of the two thousand and nineteen season with them. I didn't drive last year and I did the entire season this year. They're an Italian team and multiple champions in the past. They've won the championship thrice or four times, if I'm not mistaken, and I get along very, very well with the team because when I started in two thousand and nineteen, I drove for two different teams in the first two rounds. Because I just didn't have the budget. So I was just being passed around as to wherever and who would take one little Yal bag of gold and and then I ended up doing getting a very good deal with Carl and things went well in two thousand and nineteen. So that's why I continued to race with them and wanted to win the championship this year now, and because I study Italian, because I went to university in Italy, so that also really really helps. HMM, makes sense. Makes Sense. You know. Actually, since we're talking about your NASCAR, why don't you tell our listeners a little bit about your Nascar, because I don't think a lot of people actually do that. You know, Europe and NASCAR, they must be come here. So that's going. Yeah, so it's it's interesting. So, so Europe is a NASCAR as a whole is, of course the American Nascar series, and this the parent organization. You have various levels of NASCAR, but of course the top series of the Cup series and the expinity championship, and that races in the states on your super speed ways, and in Europe is is is from, is part of the NASCAR community, but it's a completely separate entity, and so we don't race on novals. The we race on proper race tracks. So we're like laser, like Hawkenheim's Alder Brands Hatch. We don't really do we raise on circuits, we don't do ovals and the cars are quite similar to what you have, which they also raised in Canadian Nascar and in Mexican Nascar, which are again separate organizations, and they're pretty awesome to race. There we have five point seven e tow we eate big block engine. So they sound like a million bucks and I said, I can wear them all day. Yeah, exactly. And it's the it's the LS seven engines. So, for whoever, all the car geeks out there, the LS seven engines. This five point seven lead a weight is quite a wellknown engine which is used in race cars and in a lot of rows road cars and without the restrict I think you can get easily get something like seven hundred horse power out of it. But of course, to maintain the life of the engine we have an air restrictor and I think that's it's it varies anywhere between four hundred and ten to about four hundred and fifteen horse power. Is what the what the power is we have no traction control, no ABS, we've got a four speed gearbox, so it's it's as raw as it gets. It's completely down to the driver and of course there's a few things you can change on the setup which makes a massive difference. But there are a lot of fun to drive and the racing is extremely, extremely close. So I think it's some of the night. It's any kind of tintop racing where it's a very, very close and their big cause we've got cours of space frame chassis, but above that we've got a fiberglass body kit. So sometimes you do end up without a bumper. Okay, like they say, robbing is racing, but it would have in limits. But and and also some of the drivers. This such a high level of drivers in the series. I mean this year. I mean the name a few, even though he's a he's an old guy, but he's still got it. Jacque will neer Rahs, and he won both the fine Una really he's easing with you. Yeah, he's in our category, but that's the same championship and he won both the final races and old man still got it. There's so many drivers who raced in like indie lights in G two. So in two thousand and nineteen, the main guy, I mean I was no any other top two, but third and fourth we weren't. We weren't rich fighting with each other. And Vitoria Gardy, he's raised in Gptwo, he's raised in gpthree. He was, I think, an Audi factory driver. Then you've got another guy who won the championship. Was French four champion, Danish thunder cars champions. So there's some really, really awesome drivers in the championship and we go to some great tracks as well. So yeah, that's you're a NASCAR in a Natchal. That's awesome.

You know, when I first heard about you, I saw that an Indian driver is in NASCAR and I was a little confused. We're going to sleep. I didn't. I started looking at Ye, how did it happen? So I came to the UK, of course, in two thousand and fifteen, one way ticket chase the dream after racing in India and I always wanted to raise poshes. Like I'm I'm a massive post fan as a manufacturer, but I also love the motor sports of the Post One makes series, the Carrera Cup and then, yeah, there was to ultimately racing lmp one back then was the plan, but I move up the post ladder, but unfortunately that didn't work out because I needed some serious money, which laput of two hundredzero pounds a year. Didn't happen and it just struggling, struggling, struggling. Started reaching out a different series and someone called Lucas Lassare, who was a driver. He got in touch with me. Is Very thankful to him. He said, why don't you come and test the car? It's great value for money. The racing is amazing because, to be honest, I didn't know very much about the series. After thank one of the drivers called Lucas, who actually introduced me to the series and I went and I tested the car with a in I think it was two thousand and eighteen, and I was like wow, this is this is actually pretty cool. That's also so you must be yeah, you must dislike Jeremy Clarkson a bit because he's he's down somewhat fun descending to Porsha, Porsha owners and porch o. That is very true. A huge post and I love my most clocks in ill looked up to him and it's happened. Hammond is a big post fan right here. Yeah, isn't a coming up with? Are already has a series about like him starting a garage and like how he's gone to a poshe factory or a posh car sale and gotten customer. I don't remember. I haven't seen that. I think talked up on my youtube recentesting like interesting. I look into it. Sounds good, sounds yeah, great. So you know. Now let's, you know, change our leans a little. Let's talk a little bit about your early careers in general. One thing we wanted to know. When were you bitten by the recent path? When? I guess the day I was born. I don't know, and I still in being. No rumor has it that you are the two thousand and seven Alonso versus Hamilton. was was that trigger point for you? But but that's that's already out there. What's what? Something that folks don't know, that that you know has gotten other thing, I do, sorry, other, I think. Do again. I knew I was gonna do this and knew I was going to be actually talked about this before. I mind it. Let's say I don't know. I start, but I'm sorry, I do write. What what part do I think, to racing. Besides, honestly, I mean ever since, to be honest, ever since I was a kid, it's always been cause cars, cars and I'm racing. But I never did it. I mean I just or talk and nothing, and it's expensive. And so, I mean I did something like fun karting in like the powai is back in Bombay, but like, I don't know, to be honest, I don't think I was very great and uh, and it was just for fun. So I never really properly did anything. And then I went to university overseas and I think being away from home and just being exposed to it, I was like, you know, I grew up as a person and this is what I really love. I mean it's this is all I think about all day. And I said I want to, I'm going to give it a shot. And so, yeah, so I graduated and I came back to India and I started in the formula lgb in two thousand and twelve. So so the bug had been there since I was a child. I we don't know where it came from, but it was but it was always there. But it I only started it, I guess very, very late. yeahward, was that moment with because I couse Hamilton and Alonso remember two thousand and seven as a very different incident. That's that's changed their careers. But like, yeah, what was that one moment in that year that that did it for you, like wow, this is Hamilton. I think like the first race. I think just seeing this rookie go down the outside of Alonzo in Albert Park. I think this that cemented it for me. I mean he didn't even have to finish a laugh and I was like this guy's got balls and he's got some very gifted driver and that that really did it right, because you don't do that on your first race. Yea so much. Yeah. So one question that we had was, you know, why don't you just stop a little bit about jot early career in general, in the sense that I you mentioned that, like you get got back from finishing your degree in Italy and then you participated in formal lgb. You know, from what we understand, you initially were planning to go into formula racing or, as you mentioned earlier, like por ports career, a cup. So what was your early career in into formula racing and you know how...

...did that suddenly. I mean we kind of know how it got into you don't Askar but yeah, you want to know. How did it lead up to that? I mean, so I was first of all, I was very, very old when I sat hud. I was twenty two. Never driven a road tax or anything in my life. I didn't have like row tax carting background. I just like local carting, which are done for fun, and I wanted to be a formula one driver and that was the honest goal. I was like, I want to be I want to be an a fun driver, fen money, I'll do whatever it is. But the few things that would against me is number one. I was twenty two, number two and six four, so I'm very tall. It's not easy being six for and fitting into formula cars and number threes. I don't have ten, fifteen million dollars to spare, which is what you need realistically to make it all the way. And but as like twenty two year old guy, the dream and went back. I started it jacket Formula LGB. I mean I came in without driving, thinking I'm gonna ky CASS. I think I was like second last or something on the grid. I know I didn't know what I was doing and flows are all slap in the face. But then, yeah, through the year, I mean was not much progress, and then I just started like really putting in a lot, all my effort into it. I got a simulated at home. I think that made a big difference for me. And Yeah, then I think the best result I had in the first there was fourth at the final round, and that was after I got my sim in everything. So I saw massive jump. And then the year after that I really worked hard until today. Still something I'm quite proud of, because I haven't been able to do it after is I got full sponsorship for two championships in two thousand and thirteen. That's formula lgb and might have sixteen hundred. That's awesome. So I did both of those. I think I too podiums in one sixteen hundred and I think at four podiums in the LGB, and already know where I finished it in fourth. Could have done better, but whatever. It was like my first proper year. So there's a massive that's massive fun. And then two thousand and fourteen, one of my spot. Then I was trying, of course, to constant. I mean I was doing nothing that's my soul. Focus was racing, trying to be the next step fund driver and a yeah, I was seven. That's all I was doing, trying to race, sponsorship, reach out to people, and I really feel like I gave it everything. I was first run a race in Formula I know UK. I think my little hundred and Eightyzero pounds US run a raise. Didn't raise a single penny and I met a lot of people. Didn't raise a single penny. Then I basically I continued with the season in India and then I started to shift focus to China, so the cuz cheap and closer to home. So Formula Master's China. See these, which was called for me Lapillott up before that. that it trying to raise money for that, which was, I think, hundred and twenty, undred and Thirtyzero eurows, again, a hell of a lot of money. And Yeah, just I gave it. Honestly, I can say I gave it absolutely everything because I was doing nothing else. Very Luckily, one of my sponsors was very fond of me. Continued for two thousand and fourteen and even though the budget didn't come to go overseas, there was enough to do another season in Mus sixteen hundred in India. So I did that. That season went very well. High Game. Second in the championship and was on the podium and every single race and pretty much on the front row almost all races. And that to miss the final because I dinghy. So that was quite a story. Yeah, but I bully myself and though, don't you like, far ahead of the rest, and I still managed to get second even though I missed the final round. Also did a guest race in this to t your S Cup, which I won, which was quite cool. I'd never, never, yeah, on my debut with guys, would race that. So that was pretty cool to have won that race. And and so I missed the second round because that was going to be in deadly, but with the MRF final. But I had teeny. So so two thousand fourteen was a pretty cool year because because there was a results and there's and I'd really realize, which I think all drivers who are listening to this, is you really need to build a name in the media, no matter what. That is so important. You could go at dominate every single race, but if you don't ever single newspaper article, it just does not help. So I had a lot of media coverage that year. So I thought, you know, it's going to happen at with the results of with a coverage or what everything, and still didn't. I was trying so much for then the master series in two thousand and fifteen. That didn't happen and I try to focus on Carrera Cup GB as I. Let me shift to this. And Yeah, I mean it was a very difficult period, but yeah, that didn't happen. And then in two thousand and fifteen I was like, I'm not going to give up on this. Nobody over here is leaving me a thing. So I literally, and this is the truth, I booked a one way ticket to the United Kingdom in April and said I'll go there and figure it out. There in India knows anything about more supporter wants to sponsor. So let me try something, because I don't want to sit back and and complain. So I think when you're on positions like that, you should try something. Just get out of your comfort zone. And Yeah, I came here without a send to my name to and raise...

...the money. HMM, you've got some balls there. Yeah, man, Oh, all you know, like like listening to everything you said it. I see a theme here actually, that you in general have struggled for sponsorships in general in your career and obviously, I think pretty much everyone knows this by now, that re saying is a, you know, a rich man sport in the sense that you have to have good financi still backing in in terms of supporting your career, because otherwise, like you can't get anywhere. Just talent can't get you anywhere. So you know, how did you manage all this? I mean, honestly speaking, like, first of all, re sing itself requires a lot of dedication and hard work and on top of that, like kind of becoming your own manager and finding sponsorships. Yeah, how do you even like balance this? So I have this I always say in motor sport, no money, no honey, literally don't do anything. Yeah, and do anything without it. And and it sounds like crash to say, but that is the is the harsh and day truth, honest truth, and I can India as where we have so many talented drivers. You look at the National Championship, I think. I mean I raced again some seriously fast guys, but there was just none of us had the budget to go, go forward, and I think I mean why I I guess I purse persevered and like continued, is because I'm the kind of person if I fixate on one thing, I absolutely give it everything. If I don't like it, I have absolutely no clue. And he asked me to name five football players. I can't even do that. That's how things I didn't like I am and yeah, it on. It's just like a childhood dream. I've always wanted to drive cars and I just love driving and up racing, and that's so I just said. I'm just going to keep, keep creep going and just not gonna let anything come in the way. There's many times you think you want to stop and it's just not possible. But if you want something bad enough, and not just racing, no matter what it is, just give it everything, because even if it doesn't work out, you'll get something which is well, much more, which should much better than the current position you're in. So just give it everything. And the world works in mysterious ways. And Yeah, fair advice, if for our for our young listeners here, who probably guessing where to reach out to folks, what sorts acted advice they're like. This is this is the way to go about. The most important thing is you have to be absolutely relentless, because you have to. If you send out a thousand emails or a thousand make a thousand phone calls for sponsors or reach out a thousand companies like the own, mistances will be you'll be lucky if you get five responses, even if someone, I would rather someone, says no to me, then says nothing. Yeah, and people say that I've tried so much, and and just the other thing is just just like you're like a gun to shoot everywhere, but sticks get something, because who used to say where anything can come from? Because if someone's not interested, maybe they know someone else who's interested. So just spready or not, as far and wide as you possibly can and just don't don't don't get disheartened. You will get disheartened if things don't happen. But by the ideas, just don't. Just two as much as you can. That's my my advice. Don't just stick to one sector or just one group of companies. Just absolutely throw it out as much as possible. And it's not easy. It's honestly not easy, and I'll be very honest. I haven't raised anything since two thousand and fourteen. That's it's so disheartening. And the other drivers with sponsorship anything. What are you doing wrong? I mean, is there something that you're not doing right? And Anya, so, so, just all the youngsters are they just just try as much as you can and don't, don't ever give up and be realistic as well, be very, very realistic. So there's an interesting theme that we've noticed over the you know, one year staying that we've been doing this. JK tires is a common name between quite a lot of drivers that if you spoken to, but that name never popped up with with your stuff that we've read. So so what's the what's the story there? Because it felt like if it's if it's an Indian driver, Jak it tires, somewhere related to that. Dry. It seems like they're not sharing some love with you. Yeah, not at all, unfortunately enough. I think there's many reasons for that. I believe me, I'm tried. I mean I think it's was of all great what they're doing. They do so much to actually when host the racing in India and they have been all these years. So I mean hats off to them. Both of the many capturers were doing it, but I didn't come through the carting ranks, so I didn't do a JKA rotax starting or need to relably a new guy who came in. And whenever I have spoken...

...to them about sponsorship, I mean they've said that we don't do anything apart from the Formula One, the Formula One route, and the last conversation I had, I think, was twenty nineteen, off the back of what I would say is a very, very good season in two thousand and nineteen, is when I spoke to them. They said that the of their backers, whoever the people who make the decisions at jk are, is that they want to basically back the next guy who is going the fun route. I don't know if that's some answer that it has just been given to me to shut up, or if that's all the act is, but but yeah, that's what they said. That which is in the Formula One route and yeah, no interest in this one now, right, it sounds you know, something that's that's been very interesting about you is you've done some real d jobs, like you've done something with the MW. You've done like a lifestyle shoe and lifetise. Yeah, lifestyle was it? was there any chance of any of that becoming something real, or was it just like sponsorship deal, let's get the money to then go race? I haven't done anything, honestly. Yeah, no, I think I think I've done I've honestly done so many random things, like coming here. But the BMW job is actually quite cool. So it's like a driving racing instructor BMW instructor. So myself and another driver who Kasia, who's very good friend of mine, we raced together and him and I both went and we got sit. There was a shootout in India. Whole Bunch of drivers cheme. We got selected to go and become instructors. So we went to Germany, did the training and we were supposed to me instructors in India. So that will. That was more on the side, just because it's a really fun thing to do. You're basically teaching people out to drift and to dry em causi the absolute limit. So that was for fun. It was kind of like a side job. And all the other things like that, lifestyle partnership and all was that was just to build the name and hope something came from that. Right and was this is important to associate to yourself. No, sorry, good idea. You're finishing. Just important to associate yourself with different brands to try to raise you on him and spread spreading awareness about yourself. And then was the stunt the lating thing with Wolkswa again, there was something like Wolkswa again, stunt drivers stuff. That, yeah, right, yeah, that was actually when I just started, I think us two thousand and thirteen, if I'm not mistaken. So I mean it's quite cool. I mean, first of all, folks Awa can do an amazing job in India with all the WHO look up. The went to top the AMMO Cup. So I think they do a great job. And usually on the race weekends they still have these the VW Polos, like a stunt team driving it, and they'd have it at various other events just to do promo stuff. So I think it was just a way to like promote drivers and to have a shootout. So that was something fun in two thousand and thirteen. Nice, Nice, yes, I think. Since we have been talking about sponsorships a little, let's talk a little bit about one of his sponsors. That's TGB spodds. I think you play a little you know deeper role with them and you are a seals and chartered broker, if I'm not wrong. So you know, talk us about you know. How did this happen? Like, where did this get from? So actually, tjb is is the company I work with. A work thereince two thousand and seventeen, a way in the UK. They aren't a sponsor that have a kind of deals. It's all my earnings that goes into so it's my earnings and of course my company supports me a lot and and that's why I'm racing because of that. But that was also a chance thing and I'm fortunate to be able to work there because I was at like a networking event here in the UK. R I find people to sponsor me in two thousand and sixteen and I it was at a car, classic car event and I met one of the brokers over there. You're standing next to this for GT for tea, which is fourteen inches high. Nice. We're both of US ship but all talking to feel we could fit into this car. Yeah, just thinks went from there and I'd honestly at that point got sick of trying to search sponsorship and every very depressing when nothing is happening and I think it was just all about timing and I said, you know what, because I love boats and I was like, I'm Indian. Why don't we discuss, discuss about me being like an introducer for the company or something like that, to chase them for two months to try and get a meeting? And Yeah, things just went from there, try and I ended up absolutely chasing them and then became a yort broker and that's how I've managed to to raise every since. That's nice. Before before the next question, this said there's some history with you and boats and sailing and stuff as well. So what's up with the what, or what was up with the Heather of our the sailing club, and what? You actively sailing, because heather, but's almost landlottery.

You have to go somewhere to almost sail, right. Yeah, so I've actually been a sailor since I seven years old. So I grew up from Bombay and I grew up right next to the sailing club in Colaba. So awesome, as much as I love that. I've basically sailed since I was seven years old, and so that's my so Hyderabad is just one of the places sailing go up bomb bache and I all over. And that's just my background. I wish that would have been gotten instead, but I thotunately didn't happen. And so, yeah, so that's my background. I've been a sailors deserves seven sweet all right. So I mean in terms of now the sailing thing. What is it exactly that you do as a sales and a charter broker? Then, so I'm a are so so, so I sell and rent out superhotes and so coursidentals are in the Mediterranean and the Caribbean in the summer and winter. And of course, selling, it's setting in buying big boots, and so it's a it's a very interesting job and I really really like it and you get to deal with some very interesting people, people who basically run this world large businesses themselves. So there's a lot to learn as well from the individuals are unfortunate to work with. Right. And Yeah, I've been doing it since two thousand and seventeen now. Now it's the similarity between the yacht world and the racing world money, because the hell of a lot of my guy answer it for that billionaire club. Basically. Basically, that's right. I mean look at look at Lan Stroll and Nicholas Latsi MONOCO. They come on Daddy's boat and pound of the DAD's hundred weeter boats and going drive race cars. I get. I get. So, I mean it's so funny because sometimes, when when the contract renewers are happening, they're also talking about the second seat and maybe an Aston or a Williams, and I'm like, these two are not going in. Why is there even a discussion about this? Exactly? Honestly, just to give people hope. Yeah, also to keep the, you know, press turning, just so that there's something that the media to talk about. Exactly, all right, other right. So one thing which I get is like sponsorships in general are difficult to get. You know, it's a big stress, it's a big energy dream, I would say, for any driver. I'm sure that makes things difficult in terms of mental fitness a bit, I would say, you know. So talk us a little about you know, how does the you know, the pressure of having to get sponsorships as well as like juggling your re saying and, you know, managing both of these? How does it affect you mentally? How do you cope with it? And you know, yeah, how do you just deal with all the stress? It's quite funny. I'd say like few years ago I was like, Oh, yeah, you drive so much better because you're struggling and you like want to do your best. You have absolute maximum out of yourself, so you perform in order to do that. But I called Bullshit on that. Now, I think, and I think it is so difficult to do that because you apply a number one extra pressure on yourself, thinking where if you don't perform, you're not going to get sponsorship, and you're you're focusing most of the time on what can I do to like do better in order to perform in order to get sponsorship, and it's moving backwards most of the time. So it is not easy and it's very difficult and it really lets you down when you put in so much effort, you do absolutely everything, you dedicate your life towards it and you don't manage to get any funding and you see others who are probably a lot slower than you were fully back seasons. So it's very, very difficult to mentally and I I I think, again being on both sides, when I have had a full budget in the past and basically not had budget, since I think you, I think you performed so much better when you have everything confirmed, because then you can focus one hundred percent on yourself and on a driving and not have any distractions and not have any bodies at the back of your head. That safe. I don't absolutely dominate this weekend, I still I'm going to race next weekend because I have the budget and I'm going to raise after that because I got a backer. So it's I definitely think that it is. It's not easy going race weekend to race. We can knowing if you're going to be driving, like in two, twenty, nineteen. I mean I it's sometimes it didn't know till the Monday of a race week if I was racing or not, so that was exactremely difficult. Right this this this other thing to write like, you started at the...

...age of twenty two and as a layman, my thought is that people who start from maybe say their teens, or even like nine or ten or whatever, like seven years old rate. Since you've been sailing your your majority years of physical development is happening as part of the routine of getting into the cockpit and getting used to the car. But you having started at an age where, mostly biologically, your body is not growing as much. Now, what has been your physical routine and your physical fitness routine, and you know the changes that you've seen between what you have to keep up with versus some younger drivers who started at a very young age. That's that's actually a very good, good point you mentioned and people really don't think of that but, like you said, your formative years, if you're doing you have a particular routine, your training certain muscles, your body gets used to it and it just develops in that work, in that manner and I think for motor sport so important, your code is extremely important. Of course your neck is important because the way you hold the steering wheel, your hand movements, your upper shoulder, your four are movements, that's all extremely important and I think getting your body to adapt to that it's it's not impossible, but it's you are on a back step compared to the other drivers who've been doing it for a very long time. So you do have to train that extra bit harder and you have to find ways in which you can get your body to adapt to being in the car and being under that physical load. And I think for me just in my particular cases, I'm a lot taller than ninety nine percent of the other drivers. I'm six gray or so. Keeping my weight down was very, very important because, whether I like it or not, I come with added weight, and so keeping my weight downe but still giving my strength up, was was very difficult to juggle, to juggle the two, and so I think as a driver, I guess coming in late, you have to just work double as hard in order to get your neck, your core arm, your shoulders, your forearms, to get acquainted with the loads that you'll have in a car, that that inside that you gave us the way about about mental and physical fitness. Before transitioning onto the next topic, I mean what's your two sends on both mental and physical fitness? To any age group, at this age, who's either actively racing or looking into getting into racing, I think it's it's very important to focus on both of them and put in a lot of effort. Physical fitness. The drivers need to really, really raise their game, because the important thing about racing is, no matter what forma it is, you need to be a hundred percent focused on the driving and whatever physical demands should be automatically handled by your body. So the moment you think I'm a bit tired, you're already using even if it's five percent of concentrating. Believe me, that makes it difference. So that's why your body should be such a high standard of physical is that it automatically just bears all the physical load. And a good point. And Yeah, because, like I said, the minuty of feeling tired like you've already lost a bit of concentration. Then and mental and that's why mental fitness as well is so important in the sense that in both on track and off track, in things aren't going your way, you still need to keep on track, you still need to keep your head in the right space to make sure that it's never say never in the sport until you crossed the checkered flag. Right off track as well, it's very, very easily to get demoralized when you're trying to raise funding, when you're trying to perform, and it's a very demanding sport and it's very, very hard on you and you have to make sure that you don't get demoralized because, to be honest, more often than not you will get demoralized because of how difficult it is to get the actual support and backing behind you, but just think of the fact that when it clicks there's no better feeling. So it's well working night nice. You know. One one quick thing. You know we'd notice this. I think you have a case of, you know, going from being a spectator to into the cockpit as such. I think there is a photo that you had taken off monacco some time back and I think that was before your recent days. Yeah, then, and then, I guess you later in your career, you have ended up in a yacht with done a qvat on a race weekend, you know. So how did that happen? Again, you gotta just pustle and try to make up. I I did like some volunteer like just to get a try network. So when I was already in the UK, I like reached out of the people and belonged which to like a lot of the hospitality and the big fun parties at the race weekend and I reached out to the person and I was like, you know, I'm trying to make my way and I wanna be there and come and network. And the person who owns it is the sister of x stephone driver, Eddie Jordan. So yeah, so she had me. I was there at Abudha be and at...

Monaco and yeah, went to try and meet people over there to try and get some funding. Unfortunately I came back with just the picture and no money. I think, not too bad still of the bracing grades. Yeah, because at first photo was somewhere on like out of the hill, just seeing probably yea down. Yeah, I know. We went as students with like with we drove in the night. We had to sit on the hill and watch the race. I think like forty Oros would the ticket. We went there at the previous night to go and get a space and I literally sat on a rock and I wanted yeah, it's so beautiful. I was telling starting to and you when you saw that photo, because it was from there to to almost like the I think, the turn where La Claire Crash this year. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, you've got the yacht and you're on there with react, but but you've driven on tracks, as you said, like radar as part of NASCAR. It's not the over, it's the it's their bags and and coming onto some some bits about like fone and racing and, as such, having driven on SPA. Right. There's there's been this entire new debate and it looks like it's going to take place next year. We're going up up on or rouge into rady on. The barrier is going to be changed. Right. So, having driven there now, what's your take on that whole segment going up? So interestingly, I haven't raised around SPA. It's only been in like a in like a passenger car, and this is a whole and this was prior to racing actually. So I much I want to. I haven't raised it on SPA. Belgium we raised the disoldier, which is the except on so I saw spine the back by the I know and idea. So what they're planning to is, of course, the barrier and a lot of the drivers are seeing to also make it a gravel trap outside of the racing basically off the circuit pit between carry so much speed through there and then drivers happily cut the corner. Yeah, because it's it's so many cars. It's absolutely flat out and was very, very dangerous. And Yep, unfortunately the WHO bird crashes. Well, yeah, I stood at the top of the hill. They've been some horrible crashes I think it was in Jack Eatkin had a very bad crash in what was it? Europe? Some G T in a Lamborghini and not to championship because again someone dropped it at the top of the hill. So what they need to do is bring back the gravel trap over there. So there is there is a risk because even though in right in single seaters, it's flat out and driver say it's not a corner, but because you've got to be brave and and you can have a very, very bad accident right, things go wrong. So that's why the gravel trap to try and kill some speed and which is so they need to do that. But that corner feels like there is that feeling of liftoff when you're almost apady on and getting onto that main street. Right, he was. Was Your experience similar? It's. It's when I went there again, it's before I started racing. I just wanted to discoon see it and right hey, it is just unbelieve. I mean when you come out of the hype in your looking down little looking down at and you don't realize how much of a decline it is. H and as soon as you hit the bottom and you're going upwards. You can't see the top and it's it's, it is. I don't think pictures do even twenty five percent does this to us. So how steep it actually is going up or rouge, and I can just imagine in a race car what a phenomenal feeling that must be. Yeah, I think like this, there should be a petition to get your Nascar on spa then in this case. Yeah, but I actually think what is better, what people don't realize. I think to horn is now a better corner than then a ruge because O u's in a Formula One cart least is flat. Yeah, but yeah, it's you're going downhill into double left hander and Formula One car was they downshifting from on eighth or seven gear down a gear literally turn in and flat at two hundred and ninety two minimum speed, which is as a driver I can't get head around that. So I think that's the more time gonna now. Yeah, no, I totally agree about your point about one leg. I'm I'm a very like hobbyist, amateur, you know, Sam drivers. Yeah, but whenever I'm driving on SPA, like the turn I find most difficulty and is always Pohn like. Yeah, I always know what line to take from there. You know, it's just so difficult to yeah, and it's you got to be so braven and fone can imagine you. Ninety three, I think, is minimum speed on them. Yeah, a quick sight segment on the same thing that Sara mentioned. So I know you've been a big advocate of Sam racing and probably you got a bit laid into your career, into some racing. But what if sure, you started driving at twenty two, but what if you had a same setup since fifteen? HMM, I I'm the big I...

...think Sam racing is so important for all drivers and where which I want. These young guys come and ask me that I want to start racing and I'm moving, is the first thing I say is get a simulator, because they although it's not the real thing it you still get a lot of the feeling. You learn your lines, you learn throttle control, you can, if some extend, modulate you're breaking, you're steering in ports and just learning the racing line right, and when you're racing with other drivers, not with AI, your racecraft improves as well. So I swear by sin racing and that made a big difference to me. It made a massive mannive difference and I push it to everyone and I do a lot. I haven't this year, but I did a lot of same racing last year as well and I transpend as much time as I can when I get the opportunity on the same nice. Yeah, makes sense, all right. So getting back to a fun a bit. So, yeah, our previous guest, who was the type tail who was here, he mentioned that he is not a fan of the Buddh international circuit at all and he doesn't really like that. But I guess you have a different opinion to him, I guess from what we have heard. So you know what what makes you like the track and know what about it. What are the features that you really like about it? So that few things which I do agree with anthea in the sense that I don't like the fact that it has two long straights, which is just unnecessary. I mean these straits are back straight and what one point two km, something like that. Yeah, it is so strong and I think it's unnecessary. But once you and then there's another short straight after that, but it's just the back section which I think is incredible. Once you're done with the back straight and you go right and you go downhill and that that from that up to the end is amazing. So I see the second half of the circuit is phenomenal, but I just don't like the two strays because they're not ans say, and it is. Nah, now that you say that, what what are your thoughts on the upcoming Jetta Circuit, which almost feels like an oval, which is states. Yeah, it is so straight that that circuits so straight. Okay, sorry, I didn't want to say this. Everything in Saudi AREBA has to be straight. Yeah, that's true. Let's hope form Itt on things, about some change for them. But they're not even allowed to wear beyond a certain instead of clothing, is what they'll yeah, this, so the track. Yeah, talking everyone from alone is like me. Raceis one, but anyway, anyways. Yeah, but I'm not I don't know what that's going to be like. It's probably gonna be very Baku style situation, that we could either get lucky and get some incredible races or it's going to be a small spirst. I don't think it's going to be in between. It's going to be either out of the extremes, because that's what you usually get with these kind of circuits. Enough talking about circles. Catalunia. I think that's one of the driver favorites. Definitely not the crowd favorite, I would say, especially, I guess, because of the chicade right before the last cordinet. Yeah, it's about the Chikiller. You have driven on different conflicts which doesn't have this game right. So, like, what's your opinion about it? I haven't raised it on Barcelona, but I've done a lot of the same racing around it. Okay, man, I really love Barcelona. I can imagine from a driver's point of view, and I know a lot of the driver's ex friends of mine who race there and they say it's just such a fun circuit to drive on. I think the last corner it's they should get into the Chicaine, like the old layout between. Carry so much speed getting out of that last corner. So it's probably a lot nicer with without the Chicaine, isn't that? Isn't there some some your own Nascar or some euro event which does race on Catalonia with a different configure now, so we race at Valencia. So I recently not that one to mix, which is action. Okay, it is a motor GP circuit and it's there's a lot of touring car races rain. It's a super nice circuit, especially that first corner, which is a very, very fast lefthander. But yeah, so we race it on there, which also have different configurations, but we need to do Catalonia Fair enough. Yeah, yeah, Ye. And then, speaking of the season, right, I mean we started off just chatting about how today is going to be with Hamilton as well. You've always been a Hamilton fan but more so recently also becoming or growing a fan of Max was tamping. So this season, where are the loyalties lying now? So we have in Fan, as you know, since then. But I'm in a very difficult position because I, I mean, I love Max what what? I'm super star this guys. He is just as bigger Hamilton Pan I am. I mean, I'm I really don't know who I'm...

...supporting this year, because Max is just he's on a level, I think. Yeah, the minute he walked into Formula One, everyone seen that. Even I actually watch quite a bit of the formula three season that he did, and back then as well, you knew he was special. But the way he's just everything about him is, I think, people who don't know maximis stop in need to watch Mexico going three wide, breaking outbreaking the guys on the inside and just, Ye, getting both of them into the air, just to shows maxwis stopping. And I think he is the most exciting thing in Formula One that's been there for a very long time. Definitely coming a very long time. Yeah and no, definitely, and I think after the you know, the dominance that Hamilton and Mercedes have had, I think people deserve it, I would say, in the sense that, yeah, it's fun, it's awesome that we saw him winning seven will time, seven world series was but at the same time, from the perspective of the audience at it had become a bit boring, you know. So I think it's great that we have this youngster out there, you know, who's cually challenging the Vet Tread now. That's that's true and it's I mean this season is going to go down like twenty years from now people still talk about happen in shoemaker season, yeah, or Senna Ye years later, Sena Cross. This is without a doubt, one of the most yeah fighting seasons from eleone has ever seen, where two of the best of the best, probably among the best in history, are going head to head and just raising their standard. I mean, look at these guys there, usually ten, fifteen, twenty seconds ahead of you, car them third place when things are clicking for both of them. Yeah, and to see them just drive towards on a different level and to drive so aggressively and race so hard is just we're very fortunate to be able to witness that. Yeah, and it's sorry, and I've spoken about this and our previous episode two, but like it's the evolution of Max's mental you know, calms, Yeahs Inc and mature nest. That's that suckled over the years now, right right from pushing go con to where we are now. You know. So, yeah, yeah, and I think Max, yeah, I like he's be's been very hot headed and I think further we go, the stronger he gets. And I think one big turning point, and tell me if you agree, is Turkey last year, where he was, I think he was behind pairs and Max yea faster and I was actually watching it with some friends and I said he's gonna drop it. He's things too close to Pairs, and I called it like three laps prior. But yes, and a lot of drivers don't. Max uses. Notice this in the next wet race. Max, even in the wet, uses a lot of the curve and a lot of drivers and why do you try to avoid the curve as much as for? But I don't know what he does. Any uses a lot of GOBE and I was watching that race and I was like he's gonna drop it. He's too aggressive and going behind pairs around. I think that's almost flat out, flat out in the dry, but in the wet he was too close to him and sure enough he run it on his and he didn't need to. He didn't need to try and over take exactly outbreak him. And if you think of that race and post that, if it's very different. Max, I feel like the really stepped it up in terms of of knowing way to attack that yees. Yes, yeah, I mean even yesterday right like he was he was almost gonna get into science and lap one after this trade, but he knew want to back off and then he was like yeah, I'll go wide exactly. So, so massive pins out of the answer here. So before you say him as a pin, who are there two drivers that you think probably shouldn't have been here and someone else, either from F to at this point or someone who's been replaced, should have been in this, this year's lineup, I think now, I think Nicholas Latife does not deserve to be in Formula One. I mean he's not one anything in jenior cities. He's just there because his father's writing a big fat check. Undoubtedly. I mean he has absolutely no right to be in Formala one. There's so many more talented drivers that should be there. He's one. Who else would he say? I mean I think bought has overstayed his welcome in Mercedes is. Yeah, while I go, but I just I just can't stand about us and his eats the most undeserving seat. But I think, for sure, Lett if he has absolutely no right to be there. And it's tough to say about the others. I mean like, for example, between Kimmy and you, were NA see Shoul Kim me at gone last year. Is Geo may be doing a good enough job. It will be good to see you next year. When I was coming in. Yeah, yeah, so that's pretty much it did done deal with one USU. Yeah, I think it's pretty seems paying like twenty five million or something. Yeah, twenty five million or more than that, something like that. Yeah, it's a massive amount of money with the first time he's driver. I think he's got family money as well. But you versus Botta should be interesting. Yeah, that's right, quite interesting. I'm...

...laughing this. Yeah, yeah, I'm not expecting anything from good as it thinks. He's made his engine collection. He's has found his alternate career as a enginestally tiler this year. Honestly, it's really he was undeserving seat of form one. All right, you know. So, as we, you know, get to the Tel end of the show, one thing you wanted to ask was what's next for a the way, what's next increasing? What's going? What's going on in two thousand and twenty two for you? So I want to I like I said, and this has been a very, very difficultier and things to go well and I I wanted to your to have gone very differently on track. So I want to do your own ascar again next year and it's that's the plan. Something else comes along, breade, but my full focus is on the your ow Nascar Championship and I look forward to the season starting in April. In Hawkenheim. Awesome. So yeah, so we've got two nostalgia questions. Okay, ask one, sorring's going to ask one. There is this statement by you that you've always wanted to crash into one of those house parties in Shennai. Uneasy our is going way back. That comes from where. This is going way back. So has that? Has that happened for you yet? I don't remember saying anything like yeah, actually, I don't remember saying anything like that. But we've uppart man, we've done it. I'd like to go do some someone's I'm not one of those beach houses in easy our. Sometime. Somebody who's listening, please make this happen. Yes, sorry's God. One you do? Okay, I think. Does this one celebration that you used to do with Unis Cool Hill, which is the headstand leg grab? Yeah, where did that come from? I don't know. I don't know. Like so I need is a friend of mine who also like he's my spotter and he has it sponsorship and everything, and I don't know where he got it from, to be honest. I think he saw some some American Nascar race with us. Some did that with the driver and and he said Yeah, do headstand. I was like, Dude, you don't have the copower to do it. You like trust do it and did it and I think he was almost falling over and so I to hold his hands, but Kudos to him. Yeah, right, this was this was fun. Folks, thank you for listening to the whole episode. Your parting thoughts are going to come from our third host, who's gonna take it away, but but we had a fun fan fiction or signing off. This is this is a Kash and this is sudden o the way. Take it away, whatever you want to tell to our audience. The floors hears. Yeah, firstly, thanks a lot, caush and starting for having me. I've really enjoyed this. I know we've delayed it by a bit, great to be on here. It's been really fun talking you guys and it's great to see what y'all are doing. And Yeah, I look forward to keeping in touch and for every on listening. All the drivers out there, just keep going, just never give up, and let's then please provide all the support you can for my two thousand and twenty two campaign, and we're going to go for gold and nothing less.

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